Misc’s anti-bro, bro. Age: 27; Posts: ; Rep Power: UMassBrah has a spectacular aura about. (+). Doing PSMF from Lyle’s Rapid Fat. into a plan after reading Lyle McDonald’s manual, Rapid Fat Loss. The Rapid Fat Loss Diet is a protein-sparing modified fast (PSMF) that. But in some of the forum discussions, PSMF and Lyle’s Rapid Fat Loss diet have been used somewhat interchangeably (right or wrong).

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Natural lifters, what’s your opinion on PSMF vs. kyle

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Hey folks, I recently embarked in my real bodybuilding adventure after fucking around with bodyweight exercises for a few years. Done with a decent first bulk and now started a PSMF cut. Wondering about your experiences with and opinions on the approach.

Eat nothing but chicken and lettuce, refeed when you want to die okay every 3rd day roughly according to Lyle. I dunno I just went every Sunday, but he says that once you get past “blurry 4 pack” range you should refeed more.

Something about metabolic stuff, I dunno. That said, I’m not sold on the whole refeed thing, I think you go with what works. I that for me refeeding every 3 days defeats the purpose. I mean say you get a 2k deficit each day, then eat maintenance on the third. Why not just eat the deficit everyday? You’d hate your life less, and probably stick to it longer. In my mind, you go all in on it, stay the course for a week and then eat those bagels. Repeat twice more and tada cut done.

Yeah I actually completely agree with this thinking. But for a lot of people, that refeed day is so much more satisfying than an extra calories a day. That first cut I got trapped in a nasty cycle of cutting calories hard and then absolutely binging out, and then doing a fuck load of cardio to compensate.

In the end, after I got so lean the cheating ended up coming more frequently and completely cancelling out the deficit. On top of that, all the cardio was taking the emphasis out of lifting and making me hungrier. I wish I could go back and slap the shit out of myself lol.

For that reason, I’ll never recommend more than weeks of pmsfing to anyone, and to have a planned end date. Powerful tool, but it’s not a if you’re gonna break thing but when at least for me. Currently scheme of things is pmsf to start the cut, then depending on where I am continue at a normal deficit until happy. Also use it when I’m bulking and get too fat lol.


To each their own. My personal thoughts are that the cheating makes life harder, the more you do it, the more you wanna. Kinda like you can’t miss what you don’t have sorta situation. That said I was a giant fatty, so it might just be me. Low fat bagels fit perfectly in his guide. I lyls but even rice compared to shredded chicken on spinach for the umpteenth night, lylle a godly cheat meal. He recommended every 3 days for advanced athletes, and once a week for intermediates.

Once every two weeks if you’re psmd. I did refeed after day That’s kind of a bad metric to measure by tho. So basically fat free cheese, fat free yogurt, chicken, and some veggies. When I did I would average calories a day. But I couldn’t take the psychological baggage.

I binged twice and had to cut the diet short. Supplement elctrolytes magnesium, potassium, sodium, etc. Take a diabetic glucose pill as a pre workout so your workouts don’t suffer and only do 2 full body lylw per week. The last weight class is for really fat people.

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Don’t remember the specifics. Lyle recommends EC every day. This helps with satiety and keeping you stimulated and burning weight throughout the day. When you talk about a refeed day what exactly does that entail? Is that a cheat day or are there macro and caloric goals involved? And that’s one cheat meal per week? Carbs should be high to give an insulin spike and restock glycogen. I’d guess that lyle says to hit maintenance calories with 1.

He could also possibly suggest under maintenance for the refeed. You eat around You only run it for short periods of time for a quick cut. Do more research on your own. It isn’t worth my time ppsmf investigate it, because I do not see myself ever running one.

Its basically just keto but less calories, as soon as you jump back on carbs your weight will bounce up. I’ll be trying out a 2 week PSMF starting next week. Got a bit too fat for my liking but got plans to continue bulking so decided a quick aggressive cut would be perfect. There’s a calculator somewhere for macros. Refeed will probably be lyoe couple days of maintanance at the end followed by a bulk.

Or a refeed after 7 days followed by another 7 days. What I’ve done is a PSMF kick start for a week or two than a few weeks of regular cutting after, its definitely a good way to go imo cause you see the scale move pretty quickly right off that bat. Well a lot of the initial weight loss would be water loss. I typically lose anywhere from pounds psmt the first week of a cut just from water loss alone.

The reason why I do it my way is because going from a PSMF to a regular cut makes the regular cut feel like a breeze, everything feels easier. That said going from bulk to PSMF is absolutely awful. PSMF is superior if you can handle it. I ran PSMF for 3 weeks and binged like twice. Lost a lot of weight but psmr fucks with your head Ephedrine will suppress your appetite and make you feel good because it’s also a stimulant.


Up to you to decide. Uhh yes you do. Carbs are your primary source of energy. Carbs go in, digestive system converts carbs to glucose blood sugarbody uses this as energy for cells, tissues, and organs.

You can’t rely on solely fat and protein.

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But don’t we want protein to be used for muscle building and necessary bodily functions exclusively? I mean, yes, protein can be converted into energy, but doesn’t this usually only happen if your body is lacking carbs? So then let’s say you’re keeping your protein intake high enough to maintain or even build muscle while drastically cutting. Your body would resort to using fat stores for energy then, right? You can burn fats for energy instead if you want.

It just takes a couple weeks to adapt to it.

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I understand how the keto diet works, but that doesn’t change the human body’s fundamental needs. Yes, your body will start to use protein and fat as energy in place of carbs, but then your protein isn’t being used for its primary purpose and that isn’t good.

Lmao “I take these cause my balls don’t work, and these so I don’t have to eat fats”. Doesn’t matter if all you want to do is cut. Calories in, calories out, protein.

Whether you eat fats or carbs or micros or whatever is all optional but highly recommended unless you wanna feel like dogshit. So I guess you’re right that it “matters”, but if you wanna argue semantics it’s optional at the end of the day. I disagree, I think you’re too fixated on the minor details. If you don’t go out of your way to avoid fats and carbs, you’ll probably have enough fats and carbs.

If you’re not a moron and get those from decent sources, you’ll probably have all or most of your micros. Just go eat and lift.

If you run into a problem, then go into detail, but why worry about things that don’t need to be worried about? Did you not just read the entire conversation, up to the beginning where someone said fats are essential? Yet fats are kept to the most minimal amount possible on PSMF, so why are you telling me this and not the other guy again? I think people who are so specific about exactly how many carbs and fats they intake are over complicating things unless you are trying to get right down to competition lean-ness.